A conversation with Mary Rodwell

Mary Rodwell is a professional counsellor, hypnotherapist, ufologist researcher and metaphysician. Mary is the founder and Principal of ACERN (Australian Close Encounter Resource Network) and is recognized Internationally, as one of Australians’ leading researchers in the UFO and Contact phenomenon. She is the Vice-President of Star Kids Project Ltd and an Advisory Committee member of Exopolitics.

She has lectured in the USA, Canada, Hawaii, UK and New Zealand and appears regularly in national and international media news programs such as the Australian documentary OZ, the BBC television program, the Paranormal Files (UK) and Discovery Channel Animal X. She has also participated in a University debate forum on this phenomenon, in 2006 at Oxford University, UK.

Mary’s research shows while many “Star Children” sometimes called “Indigos” have telepathic abilities, and are spiritually awakened and describe seeing “Beings of Light” (angels or light beings), the main difference is that “Star Children” have recollections of encounters with extraterrestrial beings and of being taken aboard extraterrestrial spaceships. Mary’s research also explores the evidence from scientific, medical, psychological, and historical perspective to support what she believes is a “genetic” engineering program, which is part of an “upgrading” of homo sapiens, and creating a paradigm shift in human consciousness, which these children demonstrate.

Website: http://www.acern.com.au

Book: Awakening: How Extraterrestrial Contact Can Transform Your Life

In watching this You Tube video interview, I instantly was impressed with the level and corroborating detailed information that Mary gave. This information also blends well with what I have been finding that I decided to contact her. Here is a transcript of our encounter.

RON MAYER: Thank you Mary for taking the time to reply. You do me honour just in doing so.

MARY RODWELL: You are welcome.

RON MAYER: I am fascinated with your work so I will be following what you find.

For your consideration only:

(This is still only theory but one I find fascinating) I have one last question and some more information for you to possibly consider.

Have you found or interviewed any children that are autistic or have ADD or ADHD?

I suspect that interviewing these types of children would be difficult. But the material has suggested that these children too, are most likely Star Children. She refers to them as Indigo type 3’s. Here the incarnate agrees to Host within the same body, an Annunaki soul in order to assist this Annunaki in obtaining and activating the 12th DNA strand and obtain these ascension codes which the Annunaki do not posses. ( I wish some within the New Age and UFO culture would get away from this idea that the Annunaki are our progenitor or our creators, they are not).

I know this will be a bit of a stretch, however please bare with me here.

MARY RODWELL: Its not a stretch at all and my last presentation at Nexus actually covers all of this as i speak about ADD ADHD and Aspergers and Autistic as new programs and how this is evidenced in the DNA. I have just sent the article on my presentation to Nexus because Duncan Roads wanted this. It isn’t published yet. But it covers two scientists in genetics who have qualified my hypotheses

RON MAYER: These beloved children (Indigo type 3’s) have a most difficult job to do amongst all the Star Children in that they have two Avatars present in one body. The guiding Avatar (the Oraphim who the material indicate are apparently our real creators), this Oraphim Avatar possess the potential for activating their 48 strands of DNA where as the Annunaki Avatar only have a maximum potential of 11.5 DNA strands. Without this 12 DNA strand the Annunaki cannot ascend out of the time matrix. This is what is known as a bio-regenesis contract.

During the life of the Indigo three incarnate, the Annunaki Avatar in many cases attempts to take complete control of the child’s body for its own power hungry and selfish purpose. Many times the Oraphim Avatar who carries this pre life agreement to assist the Annunaki Avatar ends up deliberately disconnecting certain DNA Vector Codes (some scientist see this as junk DNA) in order to prevent the Annunaki from achieving full possession. This can result in sensory overload that is experienced by these gifted children and their resulting “shutting down” of their cognitive connection to society.

Of course this is still just a theory but one I find very intriguing.

Another factor regarding Indigo / Star Children is the fact that they come in with More DNA strands active in their Gnome than the general Human population has. It is this that produces these amazing “gifts”.

MARY RODWELL: Yes this is so

RON MAYER: According to theory, humans come in with DNA strands 1, 2 and 3 active (but with massive mutation in DNA strands 2 and 3). DNA Strand 4 – the astral level of the human Crystal body, is usually activated around age 11. Here the 4th DNA strand that also has massive vector code misalignments and magnetic reversal, never manage to repair this damage and further activation of DNA strands 5 through 12 are never fully achieved.

  • Comment added after (One thing I’d like to interject here is  when speaking of the 12 Strand DNA Template, it is not to suggest that additional Heli will be added for a total of 24 Heli for the 12 Strand configuration. Here you would always “see” only the two Heli in what-ever dimension you are in when looking at the DNA strand template itself. The Two Heli “handrails” indicate the genetic material donated by both your mother as well as your father. A third Heli would indicate a third sex which is highly unlikely at this stage in human evolution. What will change are the number of Nucleotide Base Pars that are recognized. Instead of the 4 that we currently see, there should be an additional 8 more Base Paris for a total 12 Nucleotide Base Pairs. This is the concept of just what a 12 Strand DNA template would look like).

It is curious to note just how turbulent the teenage years usually are for regular humans as a result of the misfiring or blocking of Vector Codes of DNA strand 4 and the hormonal swings that are associated with this. Is it any wonder that adults find teenagers a complete mystery?

Now Star Children / Indigos have an advanced DNA configuration. They come in with DNA strand 1, 2, and 3 active, just like regular humans have (they also come in with the same mutations as humans) but here, Indigos also come in with DNA strands 5 and 6 active at birth. They also have their DNA strand 4 active at birth rather than activating this DNA strand at age 11 like normal Humans.

This gives them such a cognitive Leap in understanding right from birth that truly gives them the appearance of being a very old and awakened soul in such a young body.

I personally remember as an infant attempting to telepathically communicate with my siblings and parents well before I could speak. I remember thinking “why can’t they hear me” this, well before I could speak. In fact I also remember thinking just how slow and difficult the English Language was when I did begin to learn and speak it.

MARY RODWELL: Yes see my article on the children who I have written about

RON MAYER: It is claimed that these Star Children / Indigos are from the “future” in that their genetics are borrowed from certain human “root races” that only exists in our future. They would be considered a future human and acutely indicate just where the direction our human evolution is heading.

So their main purpose here at this time is simply to be present on the planet during this Stellar Activation Cycle (ascension cycle) in order to Ground the dimensional wave infusions normally associated with a SAC.

This concept that all we needed to do was be present on the planet, was first introduced to me by my Elder Grandmother Pa’Ris’Ha. This, as Buffalo Hearts (Indigos) , she said, was all we were required to do in this incarnation that everything else we did in service to others was additional Dharma which we would be recognized for. This function of channeling these higher dimensional frequencies were done in order to prevent dimensional energy overload on the planet’s grids that would result in pole shift occurring during a SAC as our planets’ grid system is also very damaged.

I apologize to getting so long winded here, sometime when I start to type my fingers just take over.

As I stated above this theoretical information is simply for your consideration in that you may find this information interesting.

Again. Thank you taking the time to respond.

( excerpt from Article )

MARY RODWELL:  I think this is important that people realize these children have a broader version of reality and it may come over as a dysfunction when in fact they are deliberately harder to program into a more limited third dimensional reality. The ‘Letter’ people, ADD, ADHD, Asperger’s, and Autism.

In 2013 I was approached by a scientist who at this stage wishes to remain anonymous, referred to as L.O.G. Her scientific qualifications are impressive, she has a PhD in Molecular Toxicology, Bachelor in Biochemistry, and Molecular Biology Diploma. In her personal life she   experienced a NDE (near death experience), instant healing, and UFO encounters with beings she calls the “Cone heads”, and green luminescent beings. She also acknowledges the intergenerational link, as her own father and her son also have encounters. L.O.G. calls herself a “letter person” combination ADHD and Asperger’s. She believes individuals with ADD, Asperger’s and Autism do not have ‘faulty’ genes but are a human upgrade, i.e. ‘Letter People.

I do not believe the theory these are ‘broken genes’ but offering new multidimensional skills to prevent limited re-programming of a third dimensional reality. It is not so simple as foreign DNA. It’s a combination of genetically improved bodies, in combination with souls from different places in our Universe, incarnating in these ‘improved’ bodies. The souls have different frequencies/vibrations depending on their evolutionary status and it plays a role in activation of the DNA in that particular body. I believe we also have to take into account the collective soul of Homo sapiens.”

L.O.G goes on to say;

“ ‘Letter people’ show impairment in communication between the brain-halves, thus they use one side of the brain for solving the same problem. They say ‘we are dysfunctional’ however it may be a way to free more space in the brain for solving difficult tasks. The Asperger’s part might be responsible for ‘higher’ knowledge, not interested in traditional learning.”

In her research she found some unique chemical differences.

“ I observed the calculated levels of acetylcholine and dopamine in the brain is ‘higher’ in letter people. Acetylcholine is formed from choline in the vitamin B family and “letter people” need more choline (but also other vitamin B family members) because they use more of it. So that’s the simplicity behind the “cure” for “letter people” – more vitamin B’s, and MSM (methylsulfonylmethane), to help in the enzymatic reactions in the brain and the formation of acetylcholine from choline The effect comes a few days after the first intake and if you stop taking the supplements the first signs of imbalance (ADHD and so on) can be noticed after a few days, depending on how much stress you are exposed to.”

She goes on to identify some problems these people struggle with on a constant basis.

“I had also surmised, ‘letter’ people have expanded sensitivities and awareness, this would suffer with present limited and limiting human reality programming. It would be easier for them to retain multidimensional awareness, if they were not so easily programmed in present social, limited and inaccurate third dimensional reality.”

It was heartening to discover corroboration through my communication with Dr. William Brown. With a PhD in Biology, Brown has an impressive cachet of scientific credentials. His statement corroborates both L.O. G’s and Tracey Taylor’s’ information. He wrote;

“I believe that genetic modification is occurring right now in utero, and is actually producing a New Human.  The hybrids are altogether a new species of human. This is shown by the exponential increase in Autistic, ADD and Indigo children. The new genetic architecture allows them to see the world in a multidimensional fashion. I believe research would show dormant genetic regions are being integrated into the biological system, and this is occurring in all of us to produce expanded awareness. Their brains are working faster and they have access to more information. In the classroom, learning is much faster than normal. I believe they already ‘know’ what’s being taught. The ‘intrinsic’ understanding of certain knowledge and information goes down to bio-molecular level where sentient activity of the brain actually takes place in the atomic structure of DNA molecules. It is trans-generational information. The information is encoded within the atomic structure of the DNA molecule. It can be accessed with greater efficiency and produce savant-like characteristics. The modification of the DNA is more the remodelling of the genome to make dormant regions accessible again.”

Neil Gould, a Ufologist/Experiencer and author of “Close Encounters of the ADHD Kind”, as a child experienced expanded perceptions and extra-terrestrial encounters. The difficulty was in trying to cope and understand a limited and limiting third dimensional world. Many adult experiencers have children with such labels, and these children often had interactions with spirits and extra-terrestrials. Are these individuals new programs with abilities not yet understood?

Best regards

Mary R


Mary Rodwell Part one Article July 2013 Extra terrestrial contact exploring a New pardigm

Part 2 article 2013 The dimensions of soul-1


Letter to a new friend

Hello Janis

After reading your initial post it seems clear to me that you are experiencing the effects of your own personal awakening. I would expect that all Indigos go though similar experiences, although each Indigos’ awakening will be unique. During my initial awakening, (many, many moons ago) I too experienced moments of mind blowing euphoria and then moments of complete and utter despair as I processed the dropping of my old fragmented and limiting persona and began the slow and painstaking processes of adopting a new, expanded and more complete identity. This is not an easy processes but is one that will inevitably set you free.

Many of the people I took this journey with were sons, daughters, fathers, mothers, some within family structures, some with no biological family ties what-so ever. All of us were in some sort of relationship and usually within this family structure we were the only individuals on this awakening path. Whatever situation we found ourselves in, one thing was certain. This was an individual journey and many of our family members surrounding us, during these initial stages just simply could not understand what we were going through. It is good that you at least found this group (there are many more out there) that you can at least ask for guidance or just to talk with someone. At some point on your path you will not need this assistance as you continue to press forward within the processes of redefining who and what you are. You will eventually create this new Identity from your very own experiences that life and your heartfelt searching will simply bring to you. My Elder would often tell me “Goha, do not be afraid to make many mistakes on your path for each Mis-take will simply lead you to making different choices”. I am better at easing up on myself but even after 30 years I still find myself yearning for perfection. We are all perfect, right now, in our own imperfections…

The hard part with this initial awakening processes was recognizing when a particular relationship no longer provided any further value to us. Some left their husbands, some left families that simply could not understand what they were going though. Many thought we had joined some cult and would meet our own destruction at the end of a grape flavored Kool Aid drink. In each instance when one of us met this unavoidable nexus point – Should I stay and continue to spiritually unfold within my current relationship or should I leave family members behind in my journey towards discovering my Soul Identity – when the decision was to made to stay within the family structure and still try to move forward on their journeys then their journey was cut short for they placed other family members before their own spiritual fulfillment. They eventually became resentful towards the family members they stayed with and unfortunately played the guilt-ridden game of “what if…?”

Another saying my Elder would often tell me was “Goha, never, ever let anyone stand between you and the sun”. There were some who took this advise and left husbands some left wives. Some left whole family members behind in their forward moving search for this new identity they new in their gut they would someday become. It takes a very special type of person to do this; one with an unusual amount of courage. Many will not have the ability to overcome the fear of which at times literally seems like “losing ones mind” for that is very much what we experienced when we awakened on our Spiritual Paths. As Neal Donald Walsh puts it you have to be “out of your mind’ literally in order for you to be able to see the Devine Truth. For those who do have this courage the rewards are uncountable. A silver lining here in some cases was that moving away from destructive relationships provided the needed understandings where further down the road, they managed to heal these relationships. Nothing is ever lost forever.

I get so excited when you talk of your explorations with such passion. Going Vegan, Reading EVERYTHING, Judging nothing, Allowing everything to have its place, is all part of the processes.

So many people say “follow the heart” and yet so many people rarely do. Its as if they are simply mouthing the words they have heard that sounded good but without understanding just what this means. Beloved, if it was easy mankind would have ascended long ago. It is not easy to trust the heart for it will always seem diametrically opposed to what your ego with its mind child games would have you believe. Trust what comes to you in mediation or in moments of pensive thoughtfulness, for these are the whisperings of your true Self, your Christ Consciousness if you will. It was once asked what exactly is this Christ Consciousness. This is the response that made sense to me; The separated self or the ego does not learn. Even when the ego has taken many courses and received many teachings, the ego has not learned but has merely become threatened. If the ego cannot learn and your All Knowing Spirit does not need to learn what It already knows, then for whom are all the self help courses really for? They are for the Still Small Voice that you hear whispering in your ear in your silent, still moments. It is the stirring of your heart at the sight of a kitten reaching out to you for love. What is this part of you that with ever growing passion, yearns to learn? This is the Christ Consciousness within you. In the beginning It’s voice is small and frail, easily overcome by a frightened ego but with consistent, persistent practice you will strengthen this “still small voice” your Christ Consciousness and eventually it will drown out the raging objections of the ego. More and more you will have moments of peace effectively rendered by your Christ Consciousness.

Some have mentioned meditation as a means of grounding. This can be very good for some people. Stilling the mind can lead to the still small voice but for me when I was having these moments of great confusion, meditating, I believed at the time, was simply not possible when thoughts raced thought my mind with the force of an avalanche. What eventually lead me to this inner peace of mind where I could make my choices from love and not from fear was Breath Therapy or what I call Chakra Breathing. Many have used another form of breath work called Rebirthing. Always the idea is to massively oxygenate the physical body. Usually these sessions take anywhere from and hour to and hour and a half. You may want to find a breather worker where you live if you choose to go down this road.

Your dreams are very important. One of the tricks my Elder taught us when trying to interpret dreams is understanding that everything in the dream is you. The monkey is you, the giraffe is you as well as the elephant. You are correct that water symbolizes emotion, so now the trick is in understanding what the animal elements in your dream represent. So my question to you is: What does the Monkey mean to you? When you think of a giraffe, what does it mean to you? What does the elephant mean to you for they are all extensions of how you see yourself. That there is a part of you that is dealing with this flood, this emotional tsunami, is easily recognized when you look at what is currently happing in your life. That you see yourself as Savior seems to be a cry from yourself to yourself in recognition of the fact that you truly are magnificent, a divine child of God. That it is time for you to believe in this magnificence and that you are truly worthy of receiving the love you so want to give.

If kittens grow up to cats, and puppies grow up to be dogs, what do children of God grow up to be?

What you give you will receive in truth. What you do not receive is a measure of what you withhold from others.

In your heart, you have all that you need.


aka ‘Goha’

2012, Ascension and ET’s: What’s this all about anyway!

DECEMBER 12, 2012

A simple date, but  a date that is gaining a great deal of attention these days. Will this date bring on the end of the world? Or will we see a new beginning; the end of one chapter in the story of the Human Race and the beginning of a new one. I, and many others prefer to see it as Grandmother Pa’Ris’ha recently put it. “The world is not ending, it is transforming!” Many Mayan Elders also see it this way with the completion of a very long cycle and the start of a new one, thus an ending of their calendars long count which will occur on this date.

With movies like “2012” and TV programs focusing on negative end of day prophesies like those of Nostrodamus and even the Bibles’ Book of Revelations and its’ depiction of the destruction of earth and its people in the final battle of armageddon, increasing numbers of people everywhere have heard of this date and are awaiting its arrival with far too much trepidation. This to me is so unfortunate for this date is intimately tied to the natural evolution of our planet and all life on her. This evolutionary moment is called the time of Ascension. It is something we humans have been waiting for, for a very, very long time. It is none other than the completion of a promise to rescue the lost souls of Tara that have been trapped in this 1st Harmonic Universe (what we here refer to as the 1st, 2nd and 3rd dimensions) for over 550 million years. The historical event which lead us to this entrapment has come to be known as the “fall of man”.


Some believe ascension is simply something fancy-full, only to be found in the entertaining realm of science fiction or fantasy novels and not something to be considered seriously. Other use the term when referring to the attainment of lofty positions of power as in kings or pharos ascending to the throne. It is all these but it is also so much more. There is a science to ascension. A science that is currently not acknowledge by our scientists of today. Not yet anyway. It is a science with specific mechanics that allow for the evolution of consciousness from simple to more complex forms. A science that follows a path of order where-by consciousness itself evolves naturally through a structured multi dimensional system.

Now. Within this event called ascension, certain planetary physics must be met before the ascension process can occur. A Stellar Activation Cycle or “SAC” must occur before certain passage ways can be opened. These  original primary “passage ways” are called the Amenti Star Gates of which there are twelve on the surface of our planet. The Amenti Star Gates are scheduled to open on or about this infamous date of December 21, 2012 and will remain open for a cycle of 10 years from 2012 to 2022. During this 10 year cycle, ascension becomes available to the masses whose DNA has been activated high enough to allow for star gate transit.


The Pleiades Star system with Alcyone, the central star seen as the largest star in the center.

There is a considerable amount of information regarding the mechanics of ascension and how the blending of dimensions occurs involving Earths movement into alignment with her 5th dimensional counter part Tara. Some of which I will explore in future blogs.

Ascension becomes available to the masses only once every 26,556 years. A 26,556 year cycle is called a Euiago cycle which is the number of years our sun takes to complete one orbit around its’ central Sun, Alcyone in the Pleiadian star system.

Our earth has not seen a “SAC” in over 8 Euiago cycles or for more than 210,216 years. In fact, as the 3rd seeding of the human angelic race on our planet only began approximately 75,000 years ago, you could say that this is the first time our human race will experience an actual ascension cycle!


Extra Terrestrials or ETs have been with us every inch of the way. There are many Extra Terrestrial races that have always respected and embraced the divine heritage and mission of the Angelic Human species and have been acting as Guardians though out our long mission of re-claiming our angelic heritage which was lost in that ancient event called the “fall of man”. Our planet with its abnormal 23.5 degree tilt to the solar ecliptic plane and, in addition to this, our meandering magnetic pole structure would never have allowed a “SAC” to occur as the dimensional frequencies 4 though 9, which must be downsteped through the Sun, and these dimensions’ accompanying Stellar Wave Infusions would never have lined up properly with our planets’ tiled star gate system. Our guardian friends have done much to assist us in increasing our planets merkaba spin ratio, seen by some as the recent increase in our planets “Schumann Resonance”. They have been very active in redirecting these energies and the accompanying stellar wave infusions so that a stellar activation cycle could finally begin in January 2,000 and once begun, maintain the balance of our planetary shields during the “SAC” in order to prevent pole shift from occurring. Without our benevolent ET brethren we would never have made it this far. The “SAC” would never have begun and the human race would have been sentenced to yet another Euiago cycle; trapped in the 3rd dimension within the 1st Harmonic Universe for another 26,556 years.

So we have much to be thankful for with our ET friends for they have assisted us behind the scenes in helping to preparing our species and our beloved planet  for this glorious opportunity to once and for all time, heal what was broken so long ago.

Much of this material has been taken from a vast and growing body of knowledge called the Freedom Teachings as scribed by Ashayan Deane through the Guardian Alliance. And although these teachings are currently considered theoretical in nature, a thorough studying of this material just might convince you otherwise…


December 17, 2010